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Hazard@natural_hazard• over 5 years ago

"Nihilism means: when we have forgotten that we have to lie, and we have forgotten that we have to affirm lies, and thus we lie badly. Affirmation means: relearning how to tell a good howler." - @lou_keep next tweet does some explaining https://t.co/atXd8PnROQ

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Hazard@natural_hazard• over 5 years ago
Replying to @natural_hazard

@lou_keep friend: I get the whole "affirm values" thing, but why does he say we have to lie to ourselves? Surely we can pursue value while not turning a blind eye to truth? me: maybe. in abstract. But part of Lou's whole shtick is about the high-modernist/platonism/scientism goop.../

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Hazard@natural_hazard• over 5 years ago
Replying to @natural_hazard

@lou_keep /.... and how they're deep in the water already. I don't think lou trusts "you" (the general reader) to not just use that frame when looking at value.

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Hazard@natural_hazard• over 5 years ago
Replying to @natural_hazard

@lou_keep me: like i think he doubles down on "we need to learn how to lie better" because he doesn't trust you to not mot&bailey on high-modernism vs "whatever dope truth seeking looks like" I like the imagery of weeping angels much better than motte&baily :) https://t.co/5p4jkTtQCT

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Hazard@natural_hazard• over 5 years ago
Replying to @natural_hazard

@lou_keep there's this move of "I don't actually trust you to use XYZ concept/frame in a non detrimental way, so I'm going to completely ditch that frame in my discourse" which sometimes I should apply to myself

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Hazard@natural_hazard• over 5 years ago
Replying to @natural_hazard

@lou_keep when I read a book like The Courage to Be Disliked, I get a sense that they don't trust me to use a certain frame, and so insist that I talk about the topic from this other angle. so i need to be careful and see if I can apply the frame without destroying the good kush

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