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QC@QiaochuYuanover 5 years ago

this is a tricky but important thing to talk about so i'd like to clarify, the wording here is slightly off many of us are not sharing with our friends / loved ones how much pain we're actually in because we worry it's so much we would be hurting them; i wanna talk about this https://t.co/KieoFKFE9Q

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QC@QiaochuYuanover 5 years ago

@Meaningness 12. it's actually not helpful to hold onto things like "i have to be sad when my friend is sad", it leads to other people holding things like "i can't tell my friend i'm sad because i'll make them sad and that'll hurt them"

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QC@QiaochuYuanover 5 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

unfortunately it is just actually true that many people don't know how to handle other people's feelings; you feel too strongly and express it to them and they get sad or scared or angry https://t.co/IPTKz4Lg7U

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QC@QiaochuYuanalmost 6 years ago

We - perhaps correctly! - believe that others can't handle our emotions, that they would freak out, get angry, try to caretake us because they'd feel like bad people if they didn't, etc. We don't want to burden them or worry them or annoy them, so... we don't.

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QC@QiaochuYuanover 5 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

i want to talk to the people who want to do better than this it is possible to become the kind of person who is not hurt by other people's emotional expressions, and then you can become a space where other people can feel safe expressing; this is vitally needed work

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QC@QiaochuYuanover 5 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

the actual #1 most important thing you need to do when supporting someone else emotionally is to just *accept whatever is happening for them* there are obvious ways of not accepting like freaking out or getting angry, but there are more subtle ones too

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QC@QiaochuYuanover 5 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

a common subtle form of non-acceptance is feeling a need to fix or help, esp. if it comes with a fear that if you don't you're a bad person / friend. what you are doing here is needing them to be different, to not be feeling what they're feeling; this doesn't feel good

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QC@QiaochuYuanover 5 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

your fear of being a bad person / friend if you don't do enough to help your friend is actually your stuff to deal with, not theirs; if your friend's going through a hard time and asking for support and you're willing to give it, set your stuff aside and save it for later

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QC@QiaochuYuanover 5 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

acceptance also means you don't do the "CBT-ish" (someone have a better word for this?) thing of trying to argue with the feelings - "no you're not a bad person, you're so good!" this pushes the feelings away when you could be holding them https://t.co/i7i0VTSLsU

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QC@QiaochuYuanover 5 years ago

5. i am more convinced now that a lot of the CBT-ish positive-thinking kinds of things that people do for mental health are not useful in the long term. stuff like noticing when you're judging yourself and trying to remind yourself that you're actually good or w/e

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QC@QiaochuYuanover 5 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

you can help people get distance from overwhelming feelings without needing them to be different - "i hear that you feel like a bad person right now" you can just reflect and accept

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QC@QiaochuYuanover 5 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

ultimately your capacity to accept other people's feelings and pain is bottlenecked by your capacity to accept your own, so if you want to train this skill you can work on that then tell your friends you're not going to be hurt if they tell you about their pain! (if that's true)

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QC@QiaochuYuanover 5 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

acceptance is the fundamental level 1 skill and if you master it (which is hard) you'll already be much better at emotional support than almost everyone at higher levels you can also learn how to help people name, express, and process their feelings - that's another thread

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QC@QiaochuYuanover 5 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

but as usual @DougTataryn's bio-emotive framework is a place i'd highly recommend to start: https://t.co/BNhWIuN3MK

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QC@QiaochuYuanover 5 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

arguing against someone's feelings in comic form extremely counterintuitively, sometimes the correct move to make in this situation is to ask your friend to repeat "i'm a horrible person" out loud 3-20x until they cry https://t.co/KUlhAC3iud

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 5 years ago
Replying to @QiaochuYuan

@QiaochuYuan definitely could have used this reminder like.... yesterday 🙃

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QC@QiaochuYuanover 5 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

@Malcolm_Ocean ❤️

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