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John Carmack@ID_AA_Carmackalmost 6 years ago

My machine learning education has progressed to the point where I lose sleep tossing around a “brilliant” idea, only to find the next day that it doesn’t actually work. This is great! I talked about this a few years ago: https://t.co/OtyBlXrkkN

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Johannes Brorsson @threads@j_brorssonalmost 6 years ago
Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

@ID_AA_Carmack So when will you help Tesla on NN autopilot developement?

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nickolas jensen 🇺🇸@NickolasJensenalmost 6 years ago
Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

@ID_AA_Carmack Glad it only takes one day to find out.

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𝒶𝓁𝓌𝒶𝓎𝓈 🄵🅁🄴🅂🄷@rhyolightalmost 6 years ago
Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

@ID_AA_Carmack Intelligent learning requires movement and exploration. If your ideas are missing that, you will not reach AGI.

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John Carmack@ID_AA_Carmackalmost 6 years ago
Replying to @rhyolight

@rhyolight I agree about exploration and agency in general, but it doesn’t require physical movement — there are paralyzed children that still grow to be intelligent.

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Karan Ganesan@karanganesanalmost 6 years ago
Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

@ID_AA_Carmack @amasad

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Joakim@JoakimRialmost 6 years ago
Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

@ID_AA_Carmack Do you know if this talk is available somewhere online? Also, seeing as it might have been inspired by reading Antifragile, do you have any reading list anywhere? :)

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John Carmack@ID_AA_Carmackalmost 6 years ago
Replying to @JoakimRi

@JoakimRi It was an internal Facebook talk. Maybe @boztank could clear it for public release... I found “antifragile” to be a useful framework, and I am planning on re-reading all of @nntaleb ‘s work now through the lens of artificial intelligence.

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Nataniel Ruiz@natanielruizgalmost 6 years ago
Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

@ID_AA_Carmack @JoakimRi @boztank @nntaleb What are the top two you would recommend?

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Raffaele Abate@kairosdojoalmost 6 years ago
Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

@ID_AA_Carmack ...or to find out someone else already has tried that (which in those occasions gives me so much comfort, as a sort of "well, at least I'm not stupid, someone smarter than me has already tried to do that!").

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Maxime Chevalier@Love2Codealmost 6 years ago
Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

@ID_AA_Carmack ML definitely seems like a field where many intuitions don't hold and most ideas don't work. There's a lot more trial and error, seeing what sticks, than in software engineering, it seems to me.

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Carlos E. Perez@IntuitMachinealmost 6 years ago
Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

@ID_AA_Carmack "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool" - R. Feynman

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Jeff Grigg@JeffGrigg1almost 6 years ago
Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

@ID_AA_Carmack That's why I keep, right next to my bed, a tape recorder, a pad and pencil, and a flashlight. Record your idea. Then go back to sleep.

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lightwater.eth💡💧@_davemacdonaldalmost 6 years ago
Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

@ID_AA_Carmack The lightbulb was a brilliant idea that didn't work. ~3000 design iterations later, it did.

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nickreal03@nickreal03almost 6 years ago
Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

@ID_AA_Carmack I wish there was a database of bad ideas with their description.

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GuilleFix — k/acc | /dd ⏩@guillefixalmost 6 years ago
Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

@ID_AA_Carmack what about when finding out whether something works or not may take much longer than a day?

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Daniel Bigham@danielbighamalmost 6 years ago
Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

@ID_AA_Carmack I have to say, I love that thrill of going for a long walk and trying to piece ML ideas together. It's such a deep a rich concept space. It feels like discovering the operating system of reality, in a certain way, like discovering the atom and the electron for the first time.

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Nuno Leiria@NunoPLeiriaalmost 6 years ago
Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

@ID_AA_Carmack Is it the case that this framework is antifragile only at a low granularity due to the fast feedback loop? I can imagine having ideas for startups that would take much longer to test and eat away brain cycles until they can be tested.

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Jonathan Fly 👾@jonathanflyalmost 6 years ago
Replying to @ID_AA_Carmack

@ID_AA_Carmack Consider the inverse as well: "This is a terrible idea that will never work. Let's try it anyway because it might fail in a fun way. Wait... how is this working?"

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