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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 5 years ago

The term "pre-success failure" from @ScottAdamsSays' book is a gem. His related idea that you should have systems and not have goals is absurd. (have both!) Scott cites Olympic athletes as examples. 🤨 Take 3 guesses what goal an Olympic athlete has... 🥇🥈🥉

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 5 years ago
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Systems don't work without goals. You need a goal in mind in order to choose/design what system to follow, and it's literally impossible to evaluate whether a system is effective without something to compare it with. Implicitly, that's a goal.

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 5 years ago
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We know certain Olympic athletes had good systems because they got the medals. They designed those systems to optimize for their athletic performance. Lots of other Olympic athletes *also* had training systems, but their systems didn't work as well—as measured by their goals.

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 5 years ago
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I'm part of a team that runs a goal-setting workshop each year called the Goal-Crafting Intensive (where part of the craft is setting up systems) and the definition of goal that we use in that context is: https://t.co/5bUIovT3rf

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 5 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

This is a very spacious meaning for "goal". It doesn't require:  📅 a due date (usually embarrassingly over-optimistic)  #️⃣ a numerical metric (which is just a proxy for what really matters)  🏁 a state of finality (it has to be in the future, but it can be ongoing)

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 5 years ago
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From this perspective, it's impossible not to have goals, so the real Qs are: 1. do I know what my goals are? what they *aren't*? 2. how am I relating to them? 3. do my explicit goals match what really matters to me? 4. am I actually working towards them or are they just dreams?

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 5 years ago
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And it's in "how am I relating to my goals?" that we get to the topic of "pre-success failure". Scott doesn't actually define the term, but it seems to be roughly "feeling bad that you haven't already achieved your goals" His prescription for avoiding this is "have no goals".

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 5 years ago
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This is a great hack, and one that I've noticed myself and many other people doing, without even realizing it. https://t.co/4k54dkmNx2

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 5 years ago

Not getting what you want feels immensely worse if you can’t pretend you didn’t want it. 🔥🔥 excerpt from a blog post I wrote over 5 years ago: https://t.co/RyDLdIPuU4 https://t.co/97sDDHvvoA

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 5 years ago
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But as long as you operate this way, you'll never get clarity on what you deeply want, which means you're unlikely to ever get it. If you have taste, it's also possible to just follow your nose, but that still can only access adjacent things you want, not things further away.

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 5 years ago
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Is there another way to avoid having pre-success failure? That's a complex question! One is to note that you probably actually do it all the time on smaller scales: when you decide to go get a snack, you don't suddenly get upset that you haven't already gotten the snack.

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 5 years ago
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Another approach: recognize that what you want is already what you want, & that acknowledging you want it & strategizing about how to pursue it doesn't mean that you have to say something's wrong about your current situation. https://t.co/0Fi5I9tpfr

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 5 years ago
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@ScottAdamsSays "instead of goals, have systems". I say "have both". Most goals aren't achievable without systems, and systems can't be evaluated without comparing them to the goal they're intended to serve. You can't not have goals. Have them *well.*

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 5 years ago
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There are other caveats to note about pursuing goals: #1: You may feel aimless once you've achieved your goal. This is the corollary of pre-success failure—thinking that you'll suddenly feel happy once you've achieved your goal. No reason to assume so! https://t.co/it2myvpifC

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 5 years ago
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Caveat #2: Getting fixated: let your goals evolve as you learn more. I do think it's worth at least *once* finishing a goal that no longer seems good, to make sure you're not just averse to finishing, and to learn how to generate enthusiasm: https://t.co/QUpwVrpF62

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 5 years ago
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Caveat #3: You may not want to pursue your goals ruthlessly! You may want to pursue them playfully, or sensually, or curiously🤸‍♀️ That "how" is your values, and they're at least as important as goals. See @edelwax: https://t.co/JG0AkNPeI7

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 5 years ago

I like @edelwax's perspective on goals & values, and how it's more important not to sacrifice your values for your goals than vice versa. (goal = *what* I want to achieve) (value = *how* I want to live my life) https://t.co/6NEimDtu14

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 5 years ago
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Caveat #4: sometimes becoming goal-oriented can create a kind of narrow-minded focus that blocks out awareness of other careabouts, including relationships. I used to think this was a necessary learning phase... now I'm less sure about that! May still be for some people.

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 5 years ago
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In any case, inasmuch as your way of being in relationship is trapping you in shoulds, & you can instead find a way to tap some sense of what *you* really want to do & do that instead... that that's key to developing self-authorship. https://t.co/Ze2weaShaF

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 5 years ago

🤔Complice helps w/ adult psych dev 🤯 In terms of Kegan stages: 3→4 Choosing & focusing on personal goals helps ppl break from being reactive to society demands. 4→5 Fluid goal approach (vs rigid plans) helps ppl break from being subject to own goals. https://t.co/FKF4ucWGQk

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Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️@Malcolm_Oceanover 5 years ago
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Anyway, if you're still with me at the end of this long thread, I bet you'll get a lot out of our Goal-Crafting Intensive online workshop: 🎯 learn more about goal-setting & pre-success failure 🔭 design your year 💬 get guidance from me & other coaches https://t.co/nsdBQIm3Kx

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Lulie@reasonisfunover 5 years ago
Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

@Malcolm_Ocean You could have criteria rather than a goal. Criteria can be negative (whereas goals can't be). Criteria can also be positive but still not really be a goal. E.g. "Make this painting prettier", without any idea of what 'prettier' would be until you create it.

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