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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago

Stage 1: Do unpaid work for yourself Stage 2: Use that as leverage to negotiate a position where you get paid to do work for others Stage 3: Save up enough so you can be free to do more, higher-quality unpaid work for yourself <--- I am currently here Stage 4: We’ll see

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

I have paid every intern that’s ever worked for me (both at ReferralCandy and @jibabom) and I would never do an unpaid internship myself - I personally can’t respect anybody who doesn’t pay their staff, and I can’t work for anybody I don’t respect. That said...

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

... I have gotten a steady stream of paid job offers ever since I was ~17. This is because employers know what I’ve done + they know what I’m worth. They know that bc of the work I’ve published in the public domain... that nobody paid me to do. (I never did college/Uni btw)

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

If you want cool and interesting jobs that pay decently, you have to be a cool and interesting person that can demonstrably create value. How fucked up is it that our education systems don’t actually optimise for this - and in fact disincentivize this? The game is rigged.

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

In April this year, I was bored and decided to organise an event on Facebook inviting people to scream at a public park. It got a bunch of media attention and I got a couple of job offers (events/community/marketing) because of this. Unpaid work! Fun!https://t.co/UsGLzGttPr

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 7 years ago

@androgynandrew @Meaningness @Aelkus Even hosting dinner for friends, organizing a pizza trail, etc all teach you invaluable things about having people get along. I'm doing this in a couple of hours: https://t.co/p0pQ1xBRTq

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

I believed this at 17, as a scared and nervous teenager, & I believe it more strongly now as a moderately accomplished adult: if you want to make an interesting living outside of the classic guilds (law, medicine, etc), the most important thing to do is cultivate taste, publicly

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

There are employers out there who would love to hire (and pay) a driven, motivated kid who’s curious about things, good at figuring things out, and get things done. The problem is that there’s no way to know who these kids are unless they have a trail of output to show for it

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

Anyway this is just my experience. Your mileage may vary. If you have time to argue about unpaid internships though, you have time to write an interesting essay about something you love, or code up a cute little site, etc, and use THAT to get yourself some paid work.

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

Definitely do rant about the injustice of unpaid internships in general, but maybe do that after you’re getting paid. It’s not *that* hard to get paid. It’s certainly easier than playing elaborate virtue-signalling games on Twitter. You don’t have to be broke! āœŒšŸ¾

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

When I was a teenager I thought of it like this: If I make stuff I love, other people who like it will reach out to me, and some of them will offer me jobs. There is surely an older, successful, wealthy Visa out there who’ll appreciate my worth &pay me https://t.co/TgYIsgKzoK

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

I also did think that if this didn’t work out and there was truly nobody out there who cared, then I might as well kill myself. But the simple fact that art exists in the world convinced me that the odds of this were extremely small - ie success was/is just a matter of persisting

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

At a meta level I am still playing this game. I would like to be a successful writer by my own constantly-evolving definition of success. Iā€˜d to eventually make a living doing this. I am willing to persist at this for 80 more years if I can. And if I fail, at least I tried, man!

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

(Wanna hear why? Because books are soul food, libraries are magic. I’ve gotten so much value from this global, atemporal parliament of hallucinations, & I desperately want to contribute before I die. If one kid reads a book I wrote & is inspired to do the same, it was worth it)

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

That’s actually it. That’s my whole life. One kid reads something I wrote and decides she wants to write a book too? I’m done, life complete. It’s all victory laps after that. Any job I do to pay the bills is just scaffolding towards that goal.

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

I suppose then I’d like to travel the world and have coffee with you weird fuckers. Maybe make a couple of humans if my wife is into that. Play in a jazz band. Tell some jokes. Nap in a small boat on a clear lake. Road trip on a motorbike. House parties with more weirdos https://t.co/OOsczh4lyR

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

Anyway. We’ll see. Don’t forget to like comment and subscribe!!~~ Lmao just live your own best life okay? Okay. Back to writing for me https://t.co/4tuva6Vf3H https://t.co/8JlECZwdVo

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

Just gonna append some taste-related thoughts: https://t.co/7ccDDgsdeQ

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 7 years ago

In 2018 I intend to do more things like this - ie to gratify my own taste even if nobody else cares https://t.co/cGJmzNhJwF

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

https://t.co/mGg42WQAyo

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 8 years ago

I believe that taste is one of the most powerful, precious, fragile things in the known Universe and should be cultivated accordingly https://t.co/yt9Fv4lAsI

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

A set of notes about taste https://t.co/UslpRO5EDW

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

Btw, just to circle back: for a lot of people, Step 1 is ā€œgo to schoolā€, and not only is it unpaid, YOU actually pay to do it, and the work that you get out of it often isn’t actually all that useful or interesting šŸ¤” https://t.co/CYLAYOqIfC

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 7 years ago

Stage 1: Do unpaid work for yourself Stage 2: Use that as leverage to negotiate a position where you get paid to do work for others Stage 3: Save up enough so you can be free to do more, higher-quality unpaid work for yourself <--- I am currently here Stage 4: We’ll see

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 6 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

Mood https://t.co/JwNnmqNST4

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 6 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

Steve Jobs on taste: it’s about ā€œtrying to expose yourself to the best things that humans have done, and then try to bring those things in to what you’re doing.ā€ https://t.co/Lt0kdBwdqA

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 6 years ago

Taste https://t.co/rmLnJ5YPlw

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 6 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

When you first don’t have much taste, you’re going to have to depend on the taste of others. Seek out ā€œbest booksā€, ā€œbest moviesā€, etc. Not all will actually be great. But give them a shot. Pay very careful attention to your feelings. Write them down. Articulate the differences

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 6 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

Do this for 10 years recursively (review old notes for interesting bits) & you will develop a Valuable Perspective as someone who isn’t just swept along the current of everyday life. And a Valuable Persective has $ value, though by then $ will feel trivial https://t.co/mmKXPJGXhB

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 6 years ago

hypothesis: if you do barely anything with your life but take little notes every day, journal, diary, whatever – snapshots of your opinions, impressions, perspectives, predictions – and then you thread these notes over time, say, 10 years...

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 6 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

(IMO $ is a proxy for value, not value itself. Once you develop a personal sense of what is valuable to you, seeking $ starts to feel like seeking a shadow. You do still need $ to eat, but you decouple yourself from $ as a goal. It’s means to better ends, not an end in itself) https://t.co/EGwwE3lfhM

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 5 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

cultivate taste https://t.co/2dx217veZK

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Andy Matuschak@andy_matuschak• about 5 years ago

Even in think-y land, so much depends on instinct, "taste" for problems/approaches, an aesthetic of ideas. Frank Oppenheimer points out that play is so important because it's one of the only ways adults hone their sense of taste. (from Something Incredibly Wonderful Happens) https://t.co/IQEoSE7E7U

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 5 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

cultivate taste https://t.co/2dx217veZK

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Andy Matuschak@andy_matuschak• about 5 years ago

Even in think-y land, so much depends on instinct, "taste" for problems/approaches, an aesthetic of ideas. Frank Oppenheimer points out that play is so important because it's one of the only ways adults hone their sense of taste. (from Something Incredibly Wonderful Happens) https://t.co/IQEoSE7E7U

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anita@neats29• over 6 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv If you ever come to London (or I come to Singapore) would love to meet! :)

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Vinay DĆ©brou@vinaydebrou• over 6 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv At Step 2.15

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 6 years ago
Replying to @vinaydebrou

@vinaydebrou šŸ¤“šŸ’ŖšŸ¾ā¤ļø https://t.co/27QAjC2vlD

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Juanito@VillabencH• over 5 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv True. Thanks. I had read this before and it’s fantastic. Still was stuck because I wanted to figure out the distribution and blah blah blah blah. I should try to produce and shut up.

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 5 years ago
Replying to @VillabencH

@VillabencH make 100 thing

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Danny Miranda@heydannymiranda• over 4 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

@visakanv wow, for the past year I've been saying I'm doing an unpaid internship for myself and haven't seen anyone else talk about it like that. Visa ahead of the game šŸ”„

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• about 2 years ago
Replying to @heydannymiranda

@heydannymiranda looks like that internship really paid off!! šŸ˜‚ā¤ļøā€šŸ”„šŸ’ŖšŸ¾šŸš€

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

Sup Visa-28, Visa-31 here with an update Stage 4: use higher-quality unpaid work to build an audience (patreon) + assets you can sell (ebooks) Stage 5: you now make money in your sleep. congratulations!! Stage 6: use the $ from (5) to pay + encourage other people to do (1)

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 4 years ago
Replying to @visakanv

Stage 7: build a global network of friendly ambitious nerds who help each other with their issues, encourage and challenge each other to do great work in whatever domains spark joy for them https://t.co/QCM7vrkuBW

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• over 5 years ago

if we play our cards right https://t.co/65KsVIYWuC

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