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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago

#nowreading Debt, by David Graeber https://t.co/56owEhf1fc

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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David’s teaches anthropology at LSE. He’s written other books like “Toward an Anthropological Theory of Value”, “Fragments of an Anarhist Anthropology” and “Lost People: Magic and the Legacy of Slavery in Madagascar”. He worked with OWS and coined the slogan “We are the 99%”

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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Book opens with a conversation David had with an activist-attorney who provided legal support for anti-poverty groups in London. David told her about his participation in the “global justice movement”, which the media usually calls “anti-globalization movement” 🤔🤔

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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her: did all the tear gas and street battles really accomplish anything? david: we managed to almost completely destroy the IMF her: ? david: the IMF are the world’s debt enforcers; high-finance equivalent of the guys who come to break your legs

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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DG: during the ‘70s oil crisis, OPEC countries poured so much of their riches into Western banks that the banks couldn’t figure out where to invest the money So Citibank and Chase sent agents persuading Third World dictators to take out loans (“go-go banking”)

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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DG: they started with very low interest rates that almost immediately skyrocketed to 20%+ due to tight US money policies in early ‘80s This led to Third World debt crisis IMF stepped in, insisted that poor countries had to abandon price supports on food, etc for refinancing

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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DG: this led to the collapse of the most basic supports for some of the poorest and most vulnerable people on earth –poverty, looting of public resources, societal collapse, violence, malnutrition, hopelessness, broken lives

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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Her: but what was *your* position? DG: abolish the IMF and Third World debt. Debt amnesty, like the biblial Jubilee. 30 years of money flowing from poorest countries to richest was quite enough Her: but they borrowed the money! Surely one has to pay one’s debts DG: hoo boy

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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DG: these loans were taken out by unelected dictators who placed most of it directly in their Swiss bank accounts contemplate the justice of insisting that the lenders be repaid not by the dictator or his cronies, but by literally taking food from the mouths of hungry children

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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DG: also, these countries have already paid back what they borrowed 3-4x over, but through the miracle of compound interest, there’s no significant dent in the principal

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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DG: to obtain refinancing, countries have to follow some orthodox free-market economic policy designed in Washington or Zurich that their citizens had never agreed to and never would

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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DG: also kinda dishonest to insist that countries adopt democratic constitutions, but whoever gets elected has no control over their country’s policies anyway

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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DG: the remarkable thing about the statement “one has to pay one’s debts” is that even according to standard economic theory, it isn’t true – a lender is supposed to accept a certain degree of risk

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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DG: if all loans, no matter how idiotic, were still retrievable – if there were no bankruptcy laws – the results would be disastrous. What reason would lenders have not to make a stupid loan?

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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DG: imagine if I walked into a branch of the Royal Bank of Scotland and said “I just got a really great tip on the horses; think you could lend me a couple of million quid?” Obviously they’ll laugh me off – but that’s because they know that they won’t get their money back

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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DG: but imagine there was a law that said they were guaranteed to get their money back no matter what happened, even if I have to sell my daughter into slavery or harvesting my organs or something. In that case, why not? That’s the situation the IMF created at a global level

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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The phrase “surely one has to pay one’s debts” is not an economic statement, it’s a moral one. The apparent self-evidence is what makes the statement so insidious, what makes terrible things appear bland and unremarkable

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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David lived 2 years in Madagascar. When he arrived, there had been a malaria outbreak. It took money to maintain the mosquito eradication program. Govt had to cut it owing to IMF-imposed austerity program. 10,000 people died. He met mothers grieving for lost children

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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“One might think that it would be hard to make a case that the loss of ten thousand human lives is really justified in order to ensure that Citybank wouldn’t have to cut its losses on one irresponsible loan that wasn’t particularly important to its balance sheet anyway.”

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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Why is the concept of debt so powerful? - consumer debt is lifeblood of economy - all modern nation-states built on deficit spending - debt is central issue of international politics Yet nobody seems to know exactly what it is, or how to think about it

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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History shows that there is no better way to justify violence, to make violence seem moral, than by reframing it in the language of debt – because it immediately makes it seem that it’s the victim who’s doing something wrong. Mafiosi, conquerors and violent men: you owe me

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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Germany had to pay massive reparations after WW1 Iraq is still paying Kuwait for Saddam’s 1990 invasion But... Third World debt works the other way around. These are countries that were attacked and conquered by European countries, and then owe their conquerors money

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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In 1865, France invaded Madagascar, disbanded the government, declared it a French colony. They imposed heavy taxes on the Malagasy population, and slaughtered a hundred thousand Malagasy people during a revolt in 1947. Madagascar has never done any comparable damage to France

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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To this day, the Malagasy people are still held to owe France money. The rest of the world accepts the justice of this arrangement. When the “international community” perceives a moral issue, it’s usually when they feel the Malagasy government is being slow to pay their debts.

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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Haiti. Nation founded by former plantation slaves who rebelled, and defeated the armies Napoleon sent to return them to bondage. France insisted that the new republic owed it 150,000,000 Francs in damages for the plantations and failed military expeditions

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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“All other nations (?!) including the United States agreed to impose an embargo on the country until it was paid. The sum was intentionally impossible (equivalent to $18B) and the resultant embargo ensured that Haiti = debt, poverty and human misery ever since.”

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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“Sometimes though, debt seems to mean the opposite. In the 1980s, the US, which insisted on strict terms for the repayment of Third World debt, itself accrued debts that easily dwarfed the entire Third World combined, mainly fueled by military spending.”

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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“US foreign debt, though, takes the form of treasury bonds held by institutional investors in countries (Germany, Japan...) that are in most cases, effectively US military protectorates, covered in US bases full of arms and equipment paid for with that very deficit spending”

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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“This has changed a little now that China has gotten in on the game – even China finds the fact that it holds so many US treasury bonds makes it to some degree beholden to US interests, rather than the other way around” 🤔

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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“In the past, military powers that maintained hundreds of military bases outside their own home territory were ordinarily referred to as “empires”, and empires regularly demanded tribute from subject peoples. The US government, of course, insists that it is not an empire...”

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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“... but one could easily make a case that the only reason it insists on treating these payments as “loans” and not as “tribute” is precisely to deny the reality of what’s going on.”

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Visakan Veerasamy@visakanv• almost 7 years ago
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In the 1720s, the British public was scandalized when the press exposed that debtors’ prisons were divided into aristocrats (wined and dined by liveried servants and prostitutes) and commoners (shackled in tiny cells, suffered to die without pity, of hunger)

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goblin waifu@goblinodds• almost 4 years ago
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@visakanv this is the sort of thing i always get stuck on my understanding is that if it's a free market it's by definition not designed. maybe there's some legal weirdness that lets you design a policy that says "you cant implement policies around this" but it seems like a p binary thing https://t.co/i8COtTw87e

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goblin waifu@goblinodds• almost 4 years ago
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@visakanv either it's regulated or it's not, and then "regulated" has many degrees? but maybe it's more complex somehow

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